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Biblical deconstruction interview

2005-08-30T17:37:18Z

Here is two hour interview with one of the worlds foremost biblical scholars. The topic is entirely on biblical theory and histories. Biblical scholar Dr. Robert M. Price breadth of knowledge on various theories is astounding.

Audio link to interview:
http://www.infidelguy.com/demo/infidelguy.com_The_Bible_Geek_Ep1.mp3

This is the first part of a multi-part series on the history of the bible offered for free by Reggie Finley (The Infidel Guy).
http://www.infidelguy.com/

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The afterlife

2005-08-19T10:49:19Z

Although I don't subscribe to any particular religion, I do lean toward Deism/Spritualism.

I do believe in God, and do believe in an afterlife. I've recently read a book online that deals with the afterlife. Supposedly, it was written by a medium who received the message contained in the book. It is called,"Life in the World Unseen".

The interesting part of this book is that the spirit who realyed the message from beyond was a catholic priest who now says that all of the religious dogmas, and creeds are basically non-sense.

It is an interesting read if anyone cares to read it. I'm providing a link.

http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/life.html

This is another link to a description of the afterlife. The spirit here was an indian that goes by the name of Silver Birch.

http://www.the-synergy.com/silverb/contensb.html

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Judgement Day.Fact or fiction?

2005-07-11T20:23:21Z

I think it's fact.

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The Great Commission

2005-06-21T15:46:49Z

"The Great Commission"

The quotes below are refering to what is known as "the great commission". So, Christians do actually believe that Jesus has commanded all believers to take over & dominate the world, for christ. In order to accomplish this task, they need to abolish the separation of church & state in the US & around the world. Which is why they so desparately want to get so involved in politics.

Matthew 28:19-20
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

http://www.reformed.com/pub/greatcomm.htm

http://www.gcachurches.org/

http://www.thewords.com/english/thegreat.htm

google search "the great commission" - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22the+great+commission%22&spell=1

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"Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land - for Jesus Christ - to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect life & godliness. It is dominion we're after not just a voice. It is dominion we're after not just influence. It is dominion we're after not just equal time. It is dominion we're after. World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to do."

- George Grant - "changing of the guard" pg 50-51

"Our goal, as christians, is to dominate society"

- Pat Robertson

"The church should be a disciplined charging army christians, like slaves & solders ask no questions. We are fighting a holy war"

- Jerry Falwell

"Christianity & Democracy are inevitably enemies"

- R.J. Rushdoony "Independent Republic" pg 122, 1964

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Any questions

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The God Who Wasn't There

2005-06-11T22:22:41Z

http://www.thegodmovie.com/

http://www.thegodmovie.com/trailer/tests/GodWhoWasntThere-Trailer-LG.mov

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Federal Courts eliminating challenges to god

2005-04-25T13:17:48Z

A bill to limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in cases involving god (s)(HR 1070 & S 520)

Federal Courts eliminating challenges to god

Can anyone say Theocracy

"This legislation will eliminate the role of Federal Courts in cases involving the First Amendment’s religious establishment clause. The U.S. Supreme Court and lower Federal Courts would be prohibited from considering the current Ten Commandments Cases if this legislation was now in force. It would allow all types of proslytizing on municipal, county, state and federal agencies such as schools, the legislatures and courts.

By eliminating the role of Federal Courts in cases involving public officials acknowledgement of god(s), school boards could return to the practice of required daily state mandated prayers for all children."

http://godlessamericans.org/

http://godlessamericans.org/pacissuesbriefing.php

"For the first time in history, our nation’s diverse community of Atheists, Freethinkers, Secular Humanists and others who do not embrace religious creeds marched together for civil rights, the separation of state and church, and their full recognition as American citizens."

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Bible contradictions

2005-04-24T13:40:49Z

Website that points out contradictions in the Bible.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

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What's So Special About Jesus?

2005-04-16T18:55:04Z

What's So Special About Jesus? Nothing. Everything supposedly attributed to Jesus and everything that Christians tout as special and unique about him had already been done many times before.

- He rose from the dead ~ big deal, so had others before him.
- He performed miracles ~ nothing new in that, it had already been done by many others.
- He raised people from the dead ~ so what, so had some of the Old Testament prophets.
- He healed ~ that's old news and had been accomplished by so many others.
- He was said to be the "Son of God" ~ just like so many others claimed to be.
- He was "born of a virgin" ~ just like so many others.
- He was reported crucified ~ just like so many others.

What makes Jesus stand out from the crowd of other godmen, saviours and messiahs? Many have claimed to be the savior but if this one really was the "one and only" where are the concrete, testable proofs that substantiate his credentials? Christian assertions, wishful thinking and subjective experiences prove nothing unless you wish to believe. Anyone can claim to be the Messiah, and many have.

Jesus said little that was new or worthwhile. He introduced no new concepts to ethics apart from hell. He instituted no social programmes although if, as many of his followers believe, he was the "Son of God" or "God made flesh" and not just an invented character, he would have known much more about science, biology or medicine, but he appeared ignorant of such things.

"When we say that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter." Apology 21 by Justin Martyr

He did not leave behind any writings, nor did any of his contemporaries. All claims of Jesus derive from hearsay accounts and there is no physical evidence to support the claim of a historical Jesus; no artifacts or self written documents.

There are no contemporary Roman records to prove that Pontius Pilate executed a man named Jesus. Unfortunately for the Christian faith there is not even a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus.

All the documents pertaining to him were written at least 30 years the death of the alleged Jesus and are from either unknown authors, people who had never met the earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Many have been proven to be outright fabrications, pious frauds or interpolations derived from hearsay accounts and can not possibly serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus.

Even the sparse and contradictory histories and genealogies of Jesus contradict each other and themselves in many places.

- The birth of Jesus is depicted as having taken place at different times.
- Mark does not mention his birth or childhood.
- Matthew and Luke claim that he was "born of a virgin," his lineage is traced to the House of David through Joseph, such that he may "fulfill prophecy", but the genealogies in Mark and Luke contradict each other.
- He is said in the first three gospels to have taught for one year before his death, while John says three years.
- Matthew reports that "The Sermon on the Mount" was given by Jesus to "the multitudes". Luke contradicts this by saying that it was a private talk given only to the disciples.
- The accounts of his Passion and Resurrection differ utterly from each other, and no one states how old he was when he died.
- Paul never knew Jesus and has almost nothing to say about the historical Jesus ~ he's all about the risen Christ.
- Paul fails to mention Jesus' sayings and doings even when doing so would boost his arguments
- Most Gospel stories are copied from Pagan myths and are standard for aspiring god-men.
- Virgin birth, resurrection, changing water into wine, healing the sick, raising the dead, etc. pre-date Christianity by centuries.

You would think that such an important event as the birth of "The Messiah", "The Son of God", "The Saviour of Mankind", etc. would be recorded in exacting detail with his life and times noted with meticulous detail.

Could it be that the confusion exists because over the centuries Christians plagiarists were attempting to boost the importance of their beliefs by combining practically every myth, fairytale, legend, or bit of wisdom they could steal from innumerable different mystery religions that were competing for converts? In the process they stole, adapted, re-interpreted, changed, amalgamated, forged, interpolated, mutilated and rewrote these texts for centuries.

There are no first hand non-biblical references to Jesus.

Flavius Josephus's Antiquities is a favourite source that many Christians quote to prove the historical existance of Jesus because in his Antiquities there are two references to Jesus.

He was only reporting the second hand myths and legends as told by Christians. There are no original manuscripts of Josepheus' writings remaining. The copies that do remain were made by Christian monks. Perhaps they were offended because there was no mention of Jesus and decided to add the references in order to validate their belief.

The apparently admirable comments of Josephus concerning Jesus are so out of character with the rest his writings and it seems quite obvious from from the general tone of the rest of his work that he was not a Christian, and had little or no sympathy for the Christian world view.

Many serious scholars hold the opinion that Josepheus's writings have been embellished to boost the Christians claims about Jesus, leading some scholars to question whether this passage from Josepheus was totally fabricated by the copyists.

It seems very odd that an event of such significence and so important to the destiny of mankind was not recorded by any of the writers living during the time it supposedly occurred.

There is nothing in any of the works of the writers that were around at the time, or just after, Jesus allegedly was born, preached, was crucified and resurrected.

It seems very odd that an event of such significence and so important to the destiny of mankind was not recorded by a single writer living during the time it occurred.

http://www.worldzone.net/family/johnanderson/indexz31.shtml

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Bush & Fascism

2005-04-01T12:39:26Z

"The Rise of the Christian Fascists: The Specter of a U.S. Theocracy and Why the People Must Stop It"

"... Bush’s re-election represents a major leap in the power of the extreme right-wing centered around Bush—the dominant core of which are Christian fascists—and in their determination to aggressively escalate their reactionary agenda globally and domestically.

The agenda of Bush and the Christian right is not limited to criminalizing abortion, outlawing gay marriage, forcing children to recite prayers in school, and mandating the teaching of Biblical creationist ignorance. Their ultimate goal is Christian fascist theocracy. Now, following the election, they feel emboldened—and compelled—to take their theocratic project to a whole new level...."

http://www.nion.us/NSOC/Everest.htm

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The Virgin Birth

2005-03-24T04:59:03Z

This is a site that addresses the virgin birth.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/virgin_b0.htm

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The Vanquished Gods: Science, Religion, and the Nature of Belief

2005-03-15T15:41:45Z

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1573928984/qid=1110869649/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-4119297-0837425?v=glance&s=books

This is a book I have read recently. It offers a board survey of the history, context, content and accuracy of the bible.

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